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the opposite of what obama said. they don't believe it. they want a western european style cradle to grave state. they want to make sure that they preserve it and they want to pay for it. the middle class is going to be nailed and they are going to blame republicans and they are going to have to go back to get more money. isn't it mostly true, taxing the rich, and you poll the whole electric. the middle income people believe they are going to be next. middle income say you are not going to get enough money there. they are going to hit me and there is going to be a carbon tax. president obama needs to expand the government. i wish the majority of the middle class saw it that way. more than half the country felt that his left wing agenda was it. it isn't eventually the middle class is going to get nailed. and the spin will be that republicans jacked up the economy so badly. >> i think that is where this is going. i think there could be a tax and maybe it can't get through congress. but i have never seen a time, i have seen polls on this. tax
the opposite of what obama said. they don't believe it. they want a western european style cradle to grave state. they want to make sure that they preserve it and they want to pay for it. the middle class is going to be nailed and they are going to blame republicans and they are going to have to go back to get more money. isn't it mostly true, taxing the rich, and you poll the whole electric. the middle income people believe they are going to be next. middle income say you are not going to get...
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president obama said that he is willing to sign it. so that would be one way to just sort of get some of this panic out of the way and let people deliberate and make some really good choices when we come back in january. >> i want to bottom line it very quickly with jared. i'm going to make you squirm, jared. >> god luck. >>maker the argument for going over it. you have to argue for it. go over the whole thing. what would it be? get our aaa back? >> that may be the only way we can get a responsible fiscal deal. and if that deal begins to take shape in late december, the only way to resolve the cliff may be to temporarily go over the cliff so that tax rates reset and we can get on a bitter fiscal trajectory, and -- and -- they can quickly, as nicole mentioned, reverse some worse effects of that. and in that sense, we've gone over it, but briefly. i'm not for it but that is a resolution that would really use the leverage, the dynamics that are in play right now to finally get us on a more sustainable fiscal path. >> it's not juvenile hal
president obama said that he is willing to sign it. so that would be one way to just sort of get some of this panic out of the way and let people deliberate and make some really good choices when we come back in january. >> i want to bottom line it very quickly with jared. i'm going to make you squirm, jared. >> god luck. >>maker the argument for going over it. you have to argue for it. go over the whole thing. what would it be? get our aaa back? >> that may be the only...
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our costs are going to go up 19.5% next year, so we believe, we'll probably have to cut two or three people just to overcome the extra cost that's going to hit our business in 2013 so we've got obama care going through. we're going to take on half that cost and pass half of that on to our employees. think about that. that means that our middle class employees are going to see that increase in their health care costs next year. >> right. >> howard dean was just on with steve forbes, and howard dean's feeling is, look, we've got to solve this problem of the deficit somehow. we can't keep kicking the can down the road. >> bill, we can't. >> and there needs to be a shared burden for everybody. that would be your burden that you just identified, right? >> well, no doubt. we've got to share it across but think what everybody is talking about, personal income taxes. that's the topic of the day. we've got to raise personal income taxes. what does that do? does that go after warren buffett? warren buffett says he wants his taxes to go up, but what are we going to do, hit people $250,000 and a
our costs are going to go up 19.5% next year, so we believe, we'll probably have to cut two or three people just to overcome the extra cost that's going to hit our business in 2013 so we've got obama care going through. we're going to take on half that cost and pass half of that on to our employees. think about that. that means that our middle class employees are going to see that increase in their health care costs next year. >> right. >> howard dean was just on with steve forbes,...
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president obama continues his pressure campaign to pass the middle class tax cuts. the president is also taking time to be festive this holiday season. meantime, john boehner doesn't sound so merry. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> the house speaker had nothing of substance to say about this week's phone conversation with the president. >> the phone call was pleasant, but was just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, just more of the same. it's time for the president if he's serious to come back to us with a counteroffer. >> boehner says the president is not being a helpful negotiator, even though the president apparently designed the negotiating sessions at boehner's request. according to "the new york times," boehner insisted the talks include only himself and the president of the united states. boehner wanted senate democrats and nancy pelosi out of the discussi
president obama continues his pressure campaign to pass the middle class tax cuts. the president is also taking time to be festive this holiday season. meantime, john boehner doesn't sound so merry. >> well, this isn't a progress report because there's no progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff that is threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> the house speaker had nothing of substance to say about this week's phone...
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i'm not sure i would use a retre retreat. >> would a resection about extending the tax cuts. >> i can't answer that question. when did we stop talking about who those people paying the taxes would be. many of those almost one miggion are small business people and not create more jobs hurting economic growth and i think that is what you have to focus on when you talk about race iing w. >> i understand the point. in these negotiations the pras seems to have the or the rich t cuts. >> we haven't tualked enough about what it will mean to the economy. we have to care about who gets hit by it. we have to begin thinking about it. >> not an ees asy thing to do. we called it decoupling. again, i don't peak for anybody but myself. my point is we need to remind people that there are three things the small business person and where is the spending cut? >> one last one, the gop will be claimed if all of the tax carts experbecause we he how long would that damage last? >> i don't know. it would be back for polltations and bat for the nanly. >> it would take us back to a resection. >> it would be terr
i'm not sure i would use a retre retreat. >> would a resection about extending the tax cuts. >> i can't answer that question. when did we stop talking about who those people paying the taxes would be. many of those almost one miggion are small business people and not create more jobs hurting economic growth and i think that is what you have to focus on when you talk about race iing w. >> i understand the point. in these negotiations the pras seems to have the or the rich t...
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president obama going off republicans on the looming fiscal cliff on the weekly radio address. accusing the house of blocking a bill aimed at year end middle tax cuts. >> they put forward an unbalanced plan that lowers rates for the wealthiest americans. >> if we want to protect the middle class, the math didn't work. >> meanwhile, florida senator marco rubio delivering the response, prosperity should come through job creation and smaller debt not taxes. >> we must get the debt under control. taxes will not control our debt. >> both sides of the issue. i'm jamie colby, back to cavuto on fox business, only on the fox news channel. >> what's the deal with the guy wearing sunglasses and saying nothing? >> and all over again in michigan, protesting the right to work bill. the scene almost identical to wisconsin last year and that state's battle over collective bargaining and then, what's going on? >> and i think it's always tough for unions to admit they've lost allure. i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fond of unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right t
president obama going off republicans on the looming fiscal cliff on the weekly radio address. accusing the house of blocking a bill aimed at year end middle tax cuts. >> they put forward an unbalanced plan that lowers rates for the wealthiest americans. >> if we want to protect the middle class, the math didn't work. >> meanwhile, florida senator marco rubio delivering the response, prosperity should come through job creation and smaller debt not taxes. >> we must get...
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here's the top ten led by the second-year running, president barack obama. the highest ranking female, angela merkel. then mr. putin of russia. bill gates, pope benedict, ben bernanke, saudi king. more on how the list was assembled and other details, forbes media ceo, mike, thanks for being with us. >> this is important to us because nothing personifies what we do at forbes like our power list. we're about success and the impact of people who achieve success have. we have ten editors who get together. we draw on a huge bank -- >> they always agree on everything. don't they? >> exactly. there is some subjectivity, i must admit. they talk about the number of people that someone influences. the amount of financial resources that they have. how many spheres they operate in, are they just financial or are tle political or philanthropic. the fourth criteria is do they act on their power, do they use their power. and if you look at -- >> that's the reason why bill gates would rank so high here is how he has used some of his financial power in the philanthropic sphe
here's the top ten led by the second-year running, president barack obama. the highest ranking female, angela merkel. then mr. putin of russia. bill gates, pope benedict, ben bernanke, saudi king. more on how the list was assembled and other details, forbes media ceo, mike, thanks for being with us. >> this is important to us because nothing personifies what we do at forbes like our power list. we're about success and the impact of people who achieve success have. we have ten editors who...
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the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough moves. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate increase if they have something to show for it. and the irony here, on a whole variety of issue, the democrats should be in favor of certain kinds of entitlement reforms. it's not actually that big of a give. on social security, as an example, democrats have won for the time being on privatization being completely off the table. there's a strong argument for trying to lock that in now as opposed to waiting and having that potentially come back. in addition, one of the big concerns here is doing too much fiscal austerity too soon. the more you did in the form of social security which can be phased in grad
the thing that a lot of people worry about in private is him and obama will cut a deal in late december negotiations. but boehner has been making tough moves. when it comes down to it he's going to agree to something with the president and it is not going to be able to pass his own conference. do you have any sense of what you think he's able to do and not do at this point? >> we come back again to the entitlement question. it's going to be easier for the caucus to swallow some tax rate...
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today president obama wants to let the bush era tax cuts expire for the wealthy americans only kicking up their marginal federal tax rate from a 35% bracket to 39.6%. we are talking about a 4.6% uptick for households making more than $250,000 a year only on every dollar they make above $250,000. that's why it's a marginal tax rake, only on the money you make on the margin. stephen moore is here from the wall street journal and he's ready to jump out of his skin after i said that. he specializes in telling me why i'm wrong. and our other guest, david johnston wrote "the fine print." stephen, you are our resident anti-tax crusader. i totally agree every penny counts when it comes to your own money. when you compare the taxes most americans paid in past decades i don't get why republicans are screaming bloody murder about this. what would be so bad with the wealthiest among us chipping in a little bit more? i'm emphasizing just a little bit more. >> when you showed that chart of the tax rates that was exactly accurate. we had 70% tax rates in the '70s. that didn't turn out well. then we c
today president obama wants to let the bush era tax cuts expire for the wealthy americans only kicking up their marginal federal tax rate from a 35% bracket to 39.6%. we are talking about a 4.6% uptick for households making more than $250,000 a year only on every dollar they make above $250,000. that's why it's a marginal tax rake, only on the money you make on the margin. stephen moore is here from the wall street journal and he's ready to jump out of his skin after i said that. he specializes...
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president obama taking his message of middle class tax cuts back on the road. he will visit a engine plant in detroit tomorrow. it will pull him into michigan's right to work legislation that limits union ability to organize workers. have you ever fallen asleep by watching tv only to be blasted away by a loud add? >> wow, that's a low price! >> starting thursday, the commercial advertisement loudness mitigation act goes into effect. the law which congress passed in 2010 bans adds from being louder than the tv program they're interrupting. we'll talk about that presidential trip to michigan, and what he'll say about the union showdown there. with the spark cash card from capital one, olaf's pizza palace gets the most rewards of any small business credit card! pizza!!!!! [ garth ] olaf's small business earns 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! helium delivery. put it on my spark card! [ pop! ] [ garth ] why settle for less? great businesses deserve the most rewards! awesome!!! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited re
president obama taking his message of middle class tax cuts back on the road. he will visit a engine plant in detroit tomorrow. it will pull him into michigan's right to work legislation that limits union ability to organize workers. have you ever fallen asleep by watching tv only to be blasted away by a loud add? >> wow, that's a low price! >> starting thursday, the commercial advertisement loudness mitigation act goes into effect. the law which congress passed in 2010 bans adds...
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president obama on the ground in michigan right now starting the week right where he left off last week. using the public to pressure republicans in to extending tax cuts for the middle class to avert the fiscal cliff. these are some live pictures of a diamler plant outside of detroit where the president will be speaking in a couple of minutes. the president greeted by the state's republican governor about an hour ago. one day before a controversial right to work bill the white house is opposed to is signed in to law. we'll have more on that later in the show but as far as the fiscal cliff, our first read team says we are already at the end game if the goal is to get a deal passed by december 21st. now that means the president and house speaker boehner have five days max to reach an agreement. that takes us to the 15th. then the legislation has to be written by the 18th. the president is now working two strategies to get a deal done. he met with speaker boehner yesterday. that's the first face to face in nearly a month and their one on one first one since july 2011. now, the other strat
president obama on the ground in michigan right now starting the week right where he left off last week. using the public to pressure republicans in to extending tax cuts for the middle class to avert the fiscal cliff. these are some live pictures of a diamler plant outside of detroit where the president will be speaking in a couple of minutes. the president greeted by the state's republican governor about an hour ago. one day before a controversial right to work bill the white house is opposed...
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>> that's right and i also feel that president obama was re-elected for a reason. an most of the people in this country go along with his idea that the wealthy need to pay their fair share. i think that it would be totally irresponsible on his part and the republicans if they don't come to a decision on this before the first of the year, and get something ironed out -- >> so, richard, what do you think? should we go off the cliff? should we just see where the chips fall? >> no, i do not agree with going off the cliff. we should come to something, some type of an agreement here. but the wealthy should pay their fair share. i do believe in that. >> mayor hall, your town relies on federal funds to keep your water drinkable at the local treatment plant. so how would going off the cliff affect your city budget? >> well, you know, any time that you're dealing with funds that the tax payers money is involve in, you've got to look at the checks and balances and if they cut spending, there is a possibility that that will be cut and our resources will go down the drain liter
>> that's right and i also feel that president obama was re-elected for a reason. an most of the people in this country go along with his idea that the wealthy need to pay their fair share. i think that it would be totally irresponsible on his part and the republicans if they don't come to a decision on this before the first of the year, and get something ironed out -- >> so, richard, what do you think? should we go off the cliff? should we just see where the chips fall? >>...
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president obama agreed -- >> isn't that what they just did? >> no. the bottom line is democrats, led by our president almost uniformly say here's our first 1.2 trillion of getting to the 4 trillion. revenues. it's up to the republican leadership prodded correctly and boldly by senator corker and others to say they'll go along with this and then we'll negotiating on the other side. it makes no sense to negotiate against ourselves? do you buy that, senator corker? >> look, chris. we have to have a $4.4 trillion solution. i know senator schumer, i've talked with him numbers of times. he knows what we need to do and most republicans and democrats do. i think it's time for the president, he knows that there's a growing body of folks willing to look at the rate on the top 2% but that's only -- could be $400 billion, it made be 800 billion-dollar and many of us are beginning to see we could end up with a lesser revenue increase by agreeing to that. the shift in focus and entitlements is where we go. it's a shame we're not sitting down and solving this but r
president obama agreed -- >> isn't that what they just did? >> no. the bottom line is democrats, led by our president almost uniformly say here's our first 1.2 trillion of getting to the 4 trillion. revenues. it's up to the republican leadership prodded correctly and boldly by senator corker and others to say they'll go along with this and then we'll negotiating on the other side. it makes no sense to negotiate against ourselves? do you buy that, senator corker? >> look,...
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little progress this week in evidence to avoid january's looming tax and spending cuts commonly known as the fiscal cliff. despite a call between president obama and john boehner, the two sides appear to be no closer to a compromise. are republicans working on the scenes on a plan b? wall street journal columnist, dan henninger and kim strassel. you have bean working the phones, is there something going on between speaker boehner and the president? >> no, i think that they are nowhere and it's because the president is refusing to budge at all on the top toks ratestopx rates and we'll go off the cliff if the republicans don't acreed to that demand. so we're still at a stand still. >> paul: kim, why is the president so insistent on increasing tax rates? boehner has already put on the table a comparable amount of money to be gained from putting a cap on deductions, about 800 billion over ten years, so such a-- >> look, paul, two reasons. first is ideological. his partisans, his liberal base believe this is somehow a symbol of winning the tax fight and you can only do that by raising the
little progress this week in evidence to avoid january's looming tax and spending cuts commonly known as the fiscal cliff. despite a call between president obama and john boehner, the two sides appear to be no closer to a compromise. are republicans working on the scenes on a plan b? wall street journal columnist, dan henninger and kim strassel. you have bean working the phones, is there something going on between speaker boehner and the president? >> no, i think that they are nowhere and...
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the white house is offering $340 billion in cuts to medicare and $250 billion in cuts to other programs. president obama spoke to abc's barbara walters about taxes on the rich going up whether republicans like it or not. >> prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes? yes or no. >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> they are? >> and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high-end individuals like you and me, barbara, we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is running short. >> the full interview between president obama and barbara walters will air friday at 10:00 p.m. on abc. we do know the president said this. "i'd like to see a big package, but the most important thing we can do is to make sure that middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st. raises the medicare eligibility age will not be a big part of this package." the president said," when you look at the evidence, it's not clear that it actually saves a lot of money." as these negotiations drag on, public opinion remains firmly on the side o
the white house is offering $340 billion in cuts to medicare and $250 billion in cuts to other programs. president obama spoke to abc's barbara walters about taxes on the rich going up whether republicans like it or not. >> prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes? yes or no. >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or the other. >> they are? >> and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high-end individuals like you and me, barbara, we can...
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it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united states from super power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the
it will be tax cuts. obama's premise that this country'country'scountry's firse fraudulent and he's fixing it, and they'll be etched in stone. tax cuts. >> the president has given the republicans flexibility to come up with a credible, specific plan. what they offered in return was an empty letter. >> when it comes to fiscal cliff that's threat nick our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> tax cuts is what caused the fall of the united...
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president obama remains insistent th republicans yields to his ultimatum that he be allowed to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year. republicans for their part insist that the president gets serious about cutting spending in order to reduce trillion dollar deficits and a national debt that is now mind-boggling league not -- monotonous. house minority leader disagrees vehemently with the speaker on how to reduce deficits and debt. today she offered a paradoxical statement on fiscal policy that would make both casey stiegel and yogi berra proud. the nation now just 24 days away from $600 billion of spending cuts and tax increases that will automatically kicked in. and pelosi has some wise words for washington. please listen terror. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking. christmas is coming. the goose is getng fat. in many homes across america it is very, very lean times. you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. lou: tha's right. pelosi says we cannot get our way to deficit reduction. listen to the top democrat in the house of representatives, the form
president obama remains insistent th republicans yields to his ultimatum that he be allowed to raise taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year. republicans for their part insist that the president gets serious about cutting spending in order to reduce trillion dollar deficits and a national debt that is now mind-boggling league not -- monotonous. house minority leader disagrees vehemently with the speaker on how to reduce deficits and debt. today she offered a paradoxical statement on...
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send spending cuts dpin. >>> a cloud of political uncertainty hanging over venezuela. hugo chavez is traveling to cuba for surgery for a third time. this time he named the vice president to replace him in case something was to happen to them. earlier parliament votes unanimously to give him permission leave the country. >>> a man who shot three people to death on an indian reservation in california has been killed. police near fresno were involved in the shoot-out with the man that reportedly opened fire earlier on several people, three of whom died. his two young daughters were wounded, and police chased the suspect and said he shot at them, too. >>> the national menorah in front of the white house, illuminated tonight, marking the start of hanukkah. of course, no hanukkah celebration would be complete without a spinning draddel. >> the big event at the nation's capital, president obama will be inaugurated for a second term and that means plenty of turnover among his top advisoriers. emily schmitt has a look at the upcoming cabinet. >> this is a wonderful opportunity
send spending cuts dpin. >>> a cloud of political uncertainty hanging over venezuela. hugo chavez is traveling to cuba for surgery for a third time. this time he named the vice president to replace him in case something was to happen to them. earlier parliament votes unanimously to give him permission leave the country. >>> a man who shot three people to death on an indian reservation in california has been killed. police near fresno were involved in the shoot-out with the man...
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to middle, 37%. >> yes, that is the deal obama has said he'll come down to 37%. and republicans have said, let's raise medicare and, i think it ut there, floating to see how to the base will react and the left is completely freaking out over the raising of the medicare eligibility and i assume the right is freaking out about giving on the tax rates. they have to decide. the administration is clear tax rates have to go up. obama has given in on it before and says there is a lot of pressure on him and the house democrats and, i think if they can come to some sort of agreement on the rate and if republicans are willing to push the other steps to next year, that is a deal. >> i think what argues against a big deal, includes any sort of cuts, for instance, up front on the entitlement side is, republicans -- tax rates are going up either way, this is the thinking among republicans before because you are going over the cliff or because the president has the whip hand and will force you into a deal and they don't want to take responsibility for the economic fallout that
to middle, 37%. >> yes, that is the deal obama has said he'll come down to 37%. and republicans have said, let's raise medicare and, i think it ut there, floating to see how to the base will react and the left is completely freaking out over the raising of the medicare eligibility and i assume the right is freaking out about giving on the tax rates. they have to decide. the administration is clear tax rates have to go up. obama has given in on it before and says there is a lot of pressure...
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if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for before president obama was in office. and as i said before, he has, with the house republicans has already signed in law a trillion dollars in cut. and he'll do more. and i think that's encouraging and i think that shows he's willing to be plexable there, to angela's point which i agree with, a lot of what you're seeing is political theater. >> jamie: we're running out of time, doug. >> i agree. and that's true, but look, neither side wants to go over the cliff. politically it would be disastrous. >> for both sides. >> exactly, and for the president, he's the got an ambitious agenda next year, he wants to d
if we do what president obama wants to do, it will only increase the gdp by 1.25%, having said that, it's just not about tax cuts, doug, it's more about cutting wasteful government spending. >> i was going to ask doug about that. doug, would you admit. since we have a democrat in the white house and also, the senate is democratically controlled. would you agree and how much is there of wasteful spending in washington? >> oh, there's a lot of wasteful spending, it's been around for...
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where you found that, he's already taken 700 billion out in savings for obama care, so we don't know where that was actually going to be. >> how does this play out. is it possible you guys go home for the holidays without a deal done? you've been told what about christmas and the day after? >> we've already been told to prepare to come back after christmas because this may not be finished. >> when were you told that? >> eric cantor at our conference. the reality, and i hate this, it really frustrates me, but sometimes deals don't get done until there's one minute left on the clock rainfall according to the urban institute, cato institute, other research institutions, typical household will extract $3 of medicaid for every $1 they pay in. a single working household, six to one. $6 for every $1 they pay in. >> no wonder we're bankrupt. >> are you willing to tell people no? are you willing to tell grandma, dad, look, you can't have this. >> there is a lot of inefficiencies in medicare. just the way the system is done breeds that kind of waste in the system. if we're going to do medicare
where you found that, he's already taken 700 billion out in savings for obama care, so we don't know where that was actually going to be. >> how does this play out. is it possible you guys go home for the holidays without a deal done? you've been told what about christmas and the day after? >> we've already been told to prepare to come back after christmas because this may not be finished. >> when were you told that? >> eric cantor at our conference. the reality, and i...
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they're hoping obama will show his cards and come out with cuts for entitlements and then they will show something on tax cuts. >> they're begging him to show something. he has no incentive to do anything at least publicly. >> will they show their cards on tax cuts first? >> they have to. >> who is going to show their hand first? ron? >> the republicans. they're going to have to. obama can stand pat, and he's doing it right now. he can be cool hand luke. >> i think that's the way he is playing, very cool. thank you. he's going to force john boehner to come out and say what he wants done to protect the rich people or not protect them. thank you, ron reagan. thank you, dana milbank. >>> a big anti-union vote in michigan is coming up. a right and left going at it. it isn't about gutting unions. a lot of people think so. is it about lowering wages and hurting democrats? you bet. let's watch it. >>> plus, the most talked about movie in hollywood hasn't even opened yet. it's about torture. many critics say "zero dark thirty" suggests without torture we wouldn't have gotten the guy. but not eve
they're hoping obama will show his cards and come out with cuts for entitlements and then they will show something on tax cuts. >> they're begging him to show something. he has no incentive to do anything at least publicly. >> will they show their cards on tax cuts first? >> they have to. >> who is going to show their hand first? ron? >> the republicans. they're going to have to. obama can stand pat, and he's doing it right now. he can be cool hand luke. >> i...
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it had spending increases, rather than spending cuts. and it wanted to have congress lose its role, in term terms of increasing the debt ceiling. none of that's probably going to happen. and i think to nick's point, it's a good point. if you go back and look. i worked for reagan years ago. reagan and tip o'neill would sit and work together. i'm not saying they'd do every detail. >> so was gingrich and clinton. >> and clinton and gingrich evolved into that kind of relationship. and i must say the president has done a poor job. he did a poor job last year and he's done a poor job this year. two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't
it had spending increases, rather than spending cuts. and it wanted to have congress lose its role, in term terms of increasing the debt ceiling. none of that's probably going to happen. and i think to nick's point, it's a good point. if you go back and look. i worked for reagan years ago. reagan and tip o'neill would sit and work together. i'm not saying they'd do every detail. >> so was gingrich and clinton. >> and clinton and gingrich evolved into that kind of relationship. and i...
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that is what we are talking about. >> what is broken is taxes and the dead and spending cuts. if the president were honest and in good faith, he wouldn't be needing with a roundtable. he would be up to capitol hill. as president is not serious. >> the other thing about the debt limit is not an authorization to go into as much does he want for five years or whatever. it is a set dollar amount. how much? lou: based on past five years of the bush administration, i can assure you that it wilbe a staggering figure. especially since we have a president who is inclined to spend like hell. i don't think there's any doubt about that. the president today is absolutely indulging in class warfare. >> i cannot ask folks who are middle-class seniors on medicare and young people who are trying to get student loans for college -- i can't ask them to sacrifice. and not ask anything of higher income folks. lou: what are your thoughts? >> i love the word ask her if is that this is a chervil contribution as opposed to money being taken forcibly. second, what's he asking anyone to sacrifice other
that is what we are talking about. >> what is broken is taxes and the dead and spending cuts. if the president were honest and in good faith, he wouldn't be needing with a roundtable. he would be up to capitol hill. as president is not serious. >> the other thing about the debt limit is not an authorization to go into as much does he want for five years or whatever. it is a set dollar amount. how much? lou: based on past five years of the bush administration, i can assure you that...
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so, according to this poll, the people are saying, yes, go ahead, cut entitlements and say that obama has a mandate, among those that did not vote for obama, they have -- that they say that there is a mandate of obama to actually raise the taxes on top earners. >> i think a mandate do both. the fed -- a lot of people blame the fed for everything, seems a little ludicrous, what the fed is saying, listen, guys, compromise and if you don't, you got to expect stocks to go down. consumer confidence coming down, small business coming down, compromise or else here is the future. the future is lower stock market. >> right. >> so i think that there is a -- there is a very funny thing going on. we have rich people coming down to washington saying, listen, we will take our taxes but got to give a compromise. there's this curious where's tim geithner with specific doubts really get this thing going? what do they come up with? what did eamon javers come up with the other day? raise taxes a little less than you thought. he comes out and says, listen, medicare, make it this new able. we'd deal. but
so, according to this poll, the people are saying, yes, go ahead, cut entitlements and say that obama has a mandate, among those that did not vote for obama, they have -- that they say that there is a mandate of obama to actually raise the taxes on top earners. >> i think a mandate do both. the fed -- a lot of people blame the fed for everything, seems a little ludicrous, what the fed is saying, listen, guys, compromise and if you don't, you got to expect stocks to go down. consumer...
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you said that. >> which is why i'm glad that president obama had the courage to end the bush tax cuts two years ago -- oh, wait a second. i'll tell you what. you know what? >> i agree with you. >> extended them for two more years, but at least now he's got the nerve, the courage to do what democrats have been saying all along, and end the bush -- oh, wait a second. no. he's actually keeping 98% of them. huh. >> look, he's keeping it for 98% of the country. i happen to agree. you know, i'm a supporter of the simpson-bowles approach, but we are where we are right now. and i think to chuck's point, this may make it -- and to your point -- and they may get to a point where this is very uncomfortable for democrats. again, $2 trillion, both are asking for that, it with certainly get us through the year, avoid sequestration, avoid the pain that many in the business community are concerned about. if we start growing again, imagine how easy this conversation will be next year if the economy is growing at 3% to 4%. >> yes, and the spirit of jack kemp rises from the table of "morning joe." >> gr
you said that. >> which is why i'm glad that president obama had the courage to end the bush tax cuts two years ago -- oh, wait a second. i'll tell you what. you know what? >> i agree with you. >> extended them for two more years, but at least now he's got the nerve, the courage to do what democrats have been saying all along, and end the bush -- oh, wait a second. no. he's actually keeping 98% of them. huh. >> look, he's keeping it for 98% of the country. i happen to...
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on the first $250,000 of their income. >> well, what if the obama administration lets it happen? what happens to the average american family. joining us here, is congressman randy forbes, nice to have you on the show. >> thank you, governor. >> let me ask you something, do you feel that the president actually wants it to happen so it gives him some political advantage? >> well, governor, i just have to judge that by two things, first of all, what i'm hearing from my colleagues on the democratic leadership side and told me as late as last week, they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff because we've argued all along they'll start by simply taxing everybody above 200,000, but that will continue and this'll lower at that rate and limit and they told me they'd vote for everything that tax everybody above $150,000 and secondly you look at the president as actions. the president doesn't want an agreement or compromise, he wants to get his way and that's why he won't come to the table with any serious proposal and talk, because we could get a solution that everybody could live with. >> it
on the first $250,000 of their income. >> well, what if the obama administration lets it happen? what happens to the average american family. joining us here, is congressman randy forbes, nice to have you on the show. >> thank you, governor. >> let me ask you something, do you feel that the president actually wants it to happen so it gives him some political advantage? >> well, governor, i just have to judge that by two things, first of all, what i'm hearing from my...
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this on a day when president obama said i have cut $1 trillion already in spending. that was part of last summer's budget deal. but he says that i am willing to do a lot more cuts in spending. you have a willingness to do spending cuts, a willingness from john boehner to raise revenues. however, we have been stuck on the details of this thing for the past two weeks here. the past three weeks or longer. the white house is putting an offer on the table. they were far apart in spending cuts. our part in revenues and the way they do increase tax revenues. republicans say no to any tax rate increase. how speaker john boehner says they will do it by limiting deductions next year. what the white house wants is an immediate tax rate increase on families earning more than $250,000 per year. they have been going round and round. there has been incredibly little progress in washington since the offers officers were first treated. with respect you could start to run up to christmas here. it could take up to three days to get something through the senate. republicans have to sell
this on a day when president obama said i have cut $1 trillion already in spending. that was part of last summer's budget deal. but he says that i am willing to do a lot more cuts in spending. you have a willingness to do spending cuts, a willingness from john boehner to raise revenues. however, we have been stuck on the details of this thing for the past two weeks here. the past three weeks or longer. the white house is putting an offer on the table. they were far apart in spending cuts. our...
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. >> what does obama want that's not in the fiscal cliff -- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best spokesman for conservatism. >> no, no. >> we should put a paul ryan -- we need younger leadership. >> paul ryan came out publicly in support of boehner. that's point number one. secondly, boehner jumped ryan over more senior people to put him as head of the budget committee. that's my second point. and boehner himself is being advised by ryan every step of the way. >> what do you say about this purge then? he's purging people that wants to balance the budget. >> you lost, ron. don't blame boehner. blame the republican party. blame conservatives. jim demint sa
. >> what does obama want that's not in the fiscal cliff -- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck...
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i just did a lot of cuts that mean nothing. boy, how much did i save us over ten year. >>> thank you, rick. more santelli in the third hour. >>> still ahead, of course, live coverage of president obama's remarks on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> with the internet streaming space, hey, there melissa, we're looking at netflix bouncing around based on comments from the chief content cipher but the stock took a bit of a hit when he said that netflix has to plans to cover the costs of the disney deal. nevertheless causing the stock to come off the best levels of the
i just did a lot of cuts that mean nothing. boy, how much did i save us over ten year. >>> thank you, rick. more santelli in the third hour. >>> still ahead, of course, live coverage of president obama's remarks on the fiscal cliff and the negotiations before the business roundtable. we'll bring that to you live in just a few minutes. [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've...
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." >>> we begin with president obama taking his battle to extend tax cuts for the middle class into the heart of the middle class suburb today. he visited a family just outside washington, d.c., using their story to dramatize what will happen in just 26 days if he and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan lothian. he's on the scene for us over at the white house. how did it go, dan? >> reporter: well, wolf, we've seen the president do this before in the past whenever he's locked in negotiations with lawmakers. he heads out on the road, either goes to a backyard or sits down around a dinner table to put pressure on congress. that's what he did today when he went to falls church sitting down with the santana family. their parents who also are employed live in the household with them. so if taxes do go up on middle class americans, the overall hit on that household will be $4,000. so they're very concerned, but they
." >>> we begin with president obama taking his battle to extend tax cuts for the middle class into the heart of the middle class suburb today. he visited a family just outside washington, d.c., using their story to dramatize what will happen in just 26 days if he and congress can't make a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff. a source of great concern for so many people, everyone's taxes will go up, will go up if there's no deal. let's go live to our white house correspondent dan...
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but when you look at the potential solutions, does obama have a mandate? we asked that question. you see very big numbers, 68% says he has a mandate to cut taxes for people who earn less than 250k. 65% say he has a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy while cutting spending. both elements are important. and when you ask about eliminating the bush tax cuts for people who make more than 250,000, 59% say he has a mandate to do that. so the president clearly has the whip hand in the negotiations, but, of course, members of congress don't respond to national polls. they're fought elected nationally like the president. they're responding to their districtes and that's why we have a different number to solve. >> i saw a number on nightly last night that was sadly low. we try to make something out of it. who would you blame if we go over? and it was 19 to 24. that was weird, wasn't it? that's where -- >> well, i think in some respects -- >> 19 we plame i think the president and 24% would blame -- that's not very -- that's like 24%? that's all you can get for that? you can't even make a
but when you look at the potential solutions, does obama have a mandate? we asked that question. you see very big numbers, 68% says he has a mandate to cut taxes for people who earn less than 250k. 65% say he has a mandate to raise taxes on the wealthy while cutting spending. both elements are important. and when you ask about eliminating the bush tax cuts for people who make more than 250,000, 59% say he has a mandate to do that. so the president clearly has the whip hand in the negotiations,...